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They have a lot of tools against card counting and I've experienced many to At the end you just get banned from the casino, or banned from table games. If they change the blackjack payout to , then I don't think any.


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Card counting is NOT illegal under federal, state and local laws in the United States as long as players don't use any external card-counting.


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Realistically, while card counting is not illegal, theft and battery most certainly are​. With millions of dollars coming in every month, casinos are not in the business of.


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Card counting is not illegal under British law, nor is it under federal, state, or local laws in the United States provided that no external card counting device or.


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It's important to remember that card counting in blackjack isn't illegal. However, casinos have the right to refuse service to anyone they please.


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The Truth About Card Counting: Is Card Counting Illegal?

TimLymington: If casinos were "even money" against a handful of "best" players and favorites against everyone else, they'd be ok. Meaning that if card counters were forced to "flat bet," they would lose. Why is card counting considered illegal in Blackjack? You also know that one of those thousand is capable of card-counting. Unless you use a "device" such as a computer to do so in Nevada, which is a felony under Nevada law. Linked 4. On the other hand, neither card counting nor the use of a legal subterfuge such as a disguise to gain access to this table game is illegal under Nevada law. This flaw and thus card counting can actually be neutralized in two ways: Shuffling manually after each hand - but that slows down the game and thus reduces casino winnings on the game that already gives them a rather small house edge. Actually, it is not the "mechanic," that makes for card counting. Just a little addition to the previous answer: Imagine you have the opportunity to play blackjack against a thousand people. OK this actually makes sense. TomAu But isn't that essentially if "the appropriate times" are derived by "card counting" or methods that the casino decides "aren't fair" on their scheme of making a living off an unfair game? I understand that. This is further reduced with fewer decks in the shoe. TomAu Or by "beat the game" do you mean beat the other players? Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. Viewed 91k times. You'd stick with the odds, and play only the other A perfectly sensible and logical position, which is, in essence, the same position the casino takes. You have a few advantages, but also have to play by strict and predictable conventions, but the thousand can play in any manner they choose. Related Hot Network Questions. What card counters mostly do is to vary their bet sizes in their own favor. What card counters do is to watch for a handful of situations that come up occasionally, where the player is favored. So "bet management" is a key skill in the game. Casinos pretend that they let you gamble in a game that has certain rules, but if you use skill to win, then you are not allowed to play, even if you play within the confines of those rules. But Nevada courts do tend to side with the casinos for economic reasons. Some casinos use them, but most seem to prefer making a fuss about card counters. Michael Borgwardt Michael Borgwardt 2 2 bronze badges. Yes, even if the game was precisely even; the mathematics is interesting. And the assumption is that most people would not engage in that kind of behavior unless they are card counting. Asked 7 years, 3 months ago. Ask Question. But card counters overcome this advantage by betting big on certain "good" hands and betting small on most other "bad" ones. That's the point of counting cards. This is a form of "trolling. As a slightly off topic followup, do casinos typically let you keep what you won if they do catch you card counting? Casinos have the right to deny service to anyone, and of makes sense to deny players from playing a game in which they have an advantage versus the house. That's just a theoretical construct. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. Well, the very odds of the game are per se in the casino's favour -- it turns out they're not a charity : If you want to play a fair game, simply don't go to a casino in the first place NeilCoffey: What you said is basically true, except that the best players can beat the game by varying their bets at appropriate times. Not gonna happen. EpsilonVector: If casinos took bets where they didn't have an edge, they'd go out of business. Question feed.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Card counters exploit a flaw in the game implementation which is not actually part of the rules of the game. They are allowed to take "defensive" measures such as shuffling up after every deal. Card counting ISN'T illegal. So why is card counting a justification for casinos to kick people out? You wouldn't risk your money betting against someone with such an advantage would you? EpsilonVector EpsilonVector 1 1 gold badge 2 2 silver badges 6 6 bronze badges. It is some fraction of 1 percent depending on house rules against a "skilled" player who plays optimally but doesn't vary his bets based on card-counting. It is negative against a skilled card counter who varies his bets. I was under the impression that if all players play by what the casino deems are the accepted rules, then statistically, the players collectively are essentially bound to lose to the house. KeithS: It used to be more like 0. Sign up to join this community. So casinos will eject players for that kind of behavior alone, whether or not connected with card counting. Obviously, a card counter will cost them money, but if that is the only justification, then it's like the casino is cheating- they only allow sucky players to play. Card counting isn't considered illegal. Then they "jump" their bets by five or ten times to take advantage of these situations, and bet a "basic" unit at other times, shifting the odds in their favor. They may have the right to choose not to play with you, but the games in which they did play with you should be considered legitimate, right? Sounds like fraud to me. Card counter Kenny Uston won a court case in New Jersey that prohibits Atlantic City casinos from barring or harassing card counters. If you are too good you get thrown out. Tom Au Tom Au I heard that the house edge on a person playing by basic strategy was much lower than that; an eight-deck game with no additional rules benefiting the player like hitting split aces or dealer must hit soft 17 has a house edge of about. Is that all there is to it, or is there a valid gameplay justification for this? Active Oldest Votes. Needless to say, "trolling" and "table hopping," whether or not for the purpose of making money, while not illegal, are socially gauche. The rules of blackjack say nothing about dealing multiple hands from the same pre-shuffled stack - but that's exactly what makes card counting possible. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}It only takes a minute to sign up. Active 5 years, 6 months ago. On one hand, gaming establishments have the unquestioned right to protect themselves against so-called "card counters" who have developed expertise in the game of "blackjack" "twenty-one". New post lock available on meta sites: Policy Lock. Continuous shuffling machines - but players and dealers hate those, claim that they destroy the atmosphere, etc. Only if you've used a counting device, or properly cheated etc, but then they also throw you in jail after taking back the money : Of course, there's nothing to say you aren't going to suffer a few accidents "falling down the stairs" on your way out of the casino I'm still not convinced. This case presents a conflict between two inconsistent public policies that have developed over the years with regard to the gaming industry. As far as I can see, a card counter is still subject to the same mechanic as any other players, but they are able to perform better then most people within these confines. I believe that if you have won it legally, they cannot take it back. This strategy calls for the big player to "table hop" in a seemingly random fashion but actually based on signals from his teammates. This isn't cheating in any sense of the word. Feedback post: New moderator reinstatement and appeal process revisions. Featured on Meta. As entertainment goes, not bad. See my answer below.